Candace Owens got over 4 million views for her interview with Phil Tourney, a survivor of the attack on the USS Liberty. How to get that reach? And does it matter?
Elsa, thanks so much fer stickin' to the story! Been outta the loop last few weeks (fambly stuff, hollydaze, college applications fer the younger one, etc. so I have over 1100 stacks in my inbox ta read--eek!)
A few things, tho I've not follered th story since...
(Clearly this site is NOT gonna fully point fingers at the US even if Israel has real gripes with LBJ---pollyticks always affects "reportage" but nevertheless some points here are worth a look)
1. "According to Israeli Chief of Staff Yitzhak Rabin's memoirs, there were standing orders to attack any unidentified vessel near the shore. (1) The day fighting began, Israel had asked that American ships be removed from its coast or that it be notified of the precise location of U.S. vessels." (so clearly Israel's wishes were disregarded...-daisy)
2 . "The Joint Chiefs of Staff investigated the communications failure and noted that the Chief of Naval Operations expressed concern about the prudence of sending the Liberty so close to the area of hostilities, and four messages were subsequently sent instructing the ship to move farther away from the area of hostilities. (THIS MEANS THAT A US NAVY GUY TOLD THE LIBERTY TO MOVE AWAY...-daisy) The JCS report said the messages were never received because of “a combination of (1) human error, (2) high volume of communications traffic, and (3) lack of appreciation of sense of urgency regarding the movement of the Liberty.” (Can't blame this one on Israel -- daisy) "The report also included a copy of a flash cable sent immediately after the attack, which reported that Israel had “erroneously” attacked the Liberty, that IDF helicopters were in rescue operations, and that Israel had sent “abject apologies” and requested information on any other U.S. ships near the war zone." (Now I know there's also evidence that Israel figured out after those reconnaissance flights that it was fer SURE a US Spy Ship BUT still... if this "flash cable" exists--I guess it does?--it's possible that there was some confusion on the part of SOME Israeli pilots... seems like in the midst of WAR when yer kinda fightin' fer the survival of your own nation--unlike the US whose existence was not at risk--ye might act first, think later... jus' sayin' -- daisy)
3. "Initially, the Israelis were terrified that they had attacked a Soviet ship and might have provoked the Soviets to join the fighting.3" (you would not have this fear if ya were SURE it was a US ship... Did they think the Soviet had put up a US Flag in disguise--"false flag?" The Soviets were all palsy with the 5 Arab nations attackin' Israel so this would have been their worst nightmare... and again there's the idea the Egyptian messages would have ruined their plans if the USS was communicatin' to London... b/c too, what went to Egypt likely got to the Soviets too--I'm not sure WHAT the Israeli's were able to decode if anything from the too-close spy ships "communications" but fear of USSR's involvement would'a been legit imho...
4. the above article cites evidence that the USS Liberty crew (spies perhaps excepted) were NOT informed about the ship's mission or about much've anythin' --they have every right to resent bein' kept in the dark an' if they are directed to blame Israel they might--they have no other "narrative" an' those promotin' "their stories" happen ta be on the blame Israel side... jus' sayin' too...
5. "Numerous mistakes were made by both the United States and Israel. For example, the Liberty was first reported — incorrectly, as it turned out — to be cruising at 30 knots (it was later recalculated to be 28 knots). Under Israeli (and U.S.) naval doctrine at the time, a ship proceeding at that speed was presumed to be a warship." (I dunno squat 'bout speed but seems the diff. 'tween 28 & 30 is small an' the ship was goin' FAST ENUF to be perceived by Israel as a legit danger per the "rules of the sea" --daisy)
6. Seth Mintz seems to have been either an unreliable witness OR someone "got to him." "In 1991, columnists Rowland Evans and Robert Novak trumpeted their discovery of an American who said he had been in the Israeli war room when the decision was made to knowingly attack the American ship.4 In fact, that individual, Seth Mintz, wrote a letter to the Washington Post on November 9, 1991, in which he said he was misquoted by Evans and Novak and that the attack, was, in fact, a “case of mistaken identity.” Moreover, the man who Mintz originally said had been with him, a Gen. Benni Matti, does not exist." Who IS Mintz? Was he HIRED by Evans + Novak? Was he REALLY in the war room or did he make that up too? (dunno...)
"The official Israeli Air Force tape clearly established that no such identification of the ship was made by the Israeli pilots prior to the attack. Tapes of the radio transmissions made prior to, during, and after the attack do not contain any statement suggesting the pilots saw a U.S. flag before the attack. During the attack, a pilot specifically says, “there is no flag on her!” "
So if this is ON TAPE an' not just "hearsay" that is sumthin'... not sayin' they didn't know but WHY would this be on tape if they did...? "chief air controller at general headquarters in Tel Aviv telling another controller the ship was “apparently American” took 24 minutes.5 Critics claimed the Israeli tape was doctored, but the National Security Agency of the United States released formerly top secret transcripts in July 2003 that confirmed the Israeli version."
"The orders radioed to the pilots by their supervisor at the Hatzor base instructing them to search for Egyptian survivors from the “Egyptian warship” that had just been bombed were also recorded by the NSA. “Pay attention. The ship is now identified as Egyptian,” the pilots were informed. "
Zapruder was doctored an' that was the US doin' it...but if the tapes were not messed with then we can assume the phrase "apparently American" was stated... (I think they likely did know it was "apparantly American," yet could not BELIEVE their so-called ally was spyin' on 'em, so close an' at top speed--so maybe they thought it was supposed to APPEAR as bein' American but/too ultimately it didn't matter wuther the Egyptians or the Soviets OR the Americans were mannin' that boat--it was riskin' their cover in middle of a war an' SOMEONE who gave the order to fire likely said fuk-it, we cannot risk NOT makin' it go away... boom.
I think I saw yer own good point Elsa--how could those torpedos all miss at such close range? Perhaps this was a way to warn the ship to skedaddle fast... a reluctance of sorts as the MOST important part was ta take out communications (spy center). The Israelis DID offer first aid AFTER they knew the spy division was OUT. Once the threat was eliminated they did the humane thing--to offer help. You do NOT do this if you want them all dead... 34 is a lot of sadly lost lives but it could have been a LOT worse--there's a lotta media out there (likely you've seen it) that sez Israel murdered 300 US Sailors on that ship which did not happen...
This quote makes sense ta me:
"None of Israel's accusers can explain why Israel would deliberately attack an American ship at a time when the United States was Israel's only friend and supporter in the world. " (I'll add, UNLESS it was fount out the friend was actin' like a foe out of self interest.... which seems to have been the case)
Per Candace Israel has no right to exist, per Tucker it has no right to defend itself with ANY aid from the US (I'll leave out the fact that most of the world thinks Israel is no ally to the US...hot toe-pick!). Therefore anythin' sent to 'em may fall on deaf fears. Candace has it out fer da joos an' fer Israel. Just heard an Interview with her where she insisted that the "Arab Quarter" was a ghetto an' that Israel "forced" Arabs there to live in poverty. The Arab Quarter is over 1000 years old an' pre-dates Israel's foundation as a "state." The joos just let the Arabs keep their OWN quarter. Candace will not hear this. I'mma New Yawker an' I promise "Little Italy" does not force Italians to live in that 8 sq. block radius, never did. "Chinatown" doesn't rope in Chinese New Yorkers either... Candace is full've it but her listeners gobble it up. Kudos fer tryin'--I think both are paid fer their agendas. Tucker (yup I alwayz knew CIA) really had me fooled fer a while... he's way too cozy 'bout USSR an' I think he has backin' from those that don't like joos... he's said a lot more but I'll not stray here...
MORE HERE includin' a timeline--I've yet ta read it all...gotta run..
A pleasure to hear from you, and to hear your many details. Amazing. They add so much!! So very different from those against truth, where facts are in short supply and name-calling is popular. Again, a pleasure, all the wealth in your "comment" (more like a short book!!).
shucks an' thanks Elsa...much on my plate fer the moment but this is indeed an important story, as ya surmised yerself, b/c it's bein' used as a wedge to create "sides" which git amplified an' keep Americans an' all other nations watchin' "us"--Canada too!--all divided. (i.e. mad at our "allies" mad at each other... an' of course mad at da joos lol) but yup, everyone was lied-to an' it's likely Miz Owens an' Mister Carlson are just sayin' their truth tellers when actually--they're engagin' in addin' more lies on top (an' makin' sure some trooths are not excavated). Whatta mess!
Something I have learned along the way is how easy it is for the internet controllers to fudge viewer numbers and subscribers to suit their preferred narrative. They are the masters of manipulation, illusion and psychological warfare and gather free publicity for their misleading talking puppets. I have been reading a book called Stop Reading the News - A Manifesto for a happier, calmer and wiser life by Rolf Dobelli. He is a former news junkie whose core message is discernment. Candace is just a marketeer. And the truth always finds its way over the finish line no matter how many puppets push the lies.
Dear Elsa, I am very interested in the Liberty, but can't stop my other work today to reply to your call for help. I can however show you an article I wrote about it, blaming the US and the overall Unidentified Big Boss. The book to buy is Philip Nelson's "Remember the Liberty." Note: the US Navy men, including Tierney, are old now and deserve to be thanked and saluted. Here is my 2019 article when I was in Australia: Write to me at MaxwellMaryLLB@gmail.com. I am in USA:
Great what you did and are doing. On this huge planet with 8 billion of us, it takes many voices for truth. Yours is definitely one. So is Philip Nelson's "Remember the Liberty."
Elsa, thanks so much fer stickin' to the story! Been outta the loop last few weeks (fambly stuff, hollydaze, college applications fer the younger one, etc. so I have over 1100 stacks in my inbox ta read--eek!)
A few things, tho I've not follered th story since...
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/history-and-overview-of-the-uss-liberty-incident
(Clearly this site is NOT gonna fully point fingers at the US even if Israel has real gripes with LBJ---pollyticks always affects "reportage" but nevertheless some points here are worth a look)
1. "According to Israeli Chief of Staff Yitzhak Rabin's memoirs, there were standing orders to attack any unidentified vessel near the shore. (1) The day fighting began, Israel had asked that American ships be removed from its coast or that it be notified of the precise location of U.S. vessels." (so clearly Israel's wishes were disregarded...-daisy)
2 . "The Joint Chiefs of Staff investigated the communications failure and noted that the Chief of Naval Operations expressed concern about the prudence of sending the Liberty so close to the area of hostilities, and four messages were subsequently sent instructing the ship to move farther away from the area of hostilities. (THIS MEANS THAT A US NAVY GUY TOLD THE LIBERTY TO MOVE AWAY...-daisy) The JCS report said the messages were never received because of “a combination of (1) human error, (2) high volume of communications traffic, and (3) lack of appreciation of sense of urgency regarding the movement of the Liberty.” (Can't blame this one on Israel -- daisy) "The report also included a copy of a flash cable sent immediately after the attack, which reported that Israel had “erroneously” attacked the Liberty, that IDF helicopters were in rescue operations, and that Israel had sent “abject apologies” and requested information on any other U.S. ships near the war zone." (Now I know there's also evidence that Israel figured out after those reconnaissance flights that it was fer SURE a US Spy Ship BUT still... if this "flash cable" exists--I guess it does?--it's possible that there was some confusion on the part of SOME Israeli pilots... seems like in the midst of WAR when yer kinda fightin' fer the survival of your own nation--unlike the US whose existence was not at risk--ye might act first, think later... jus' sayin' -- daisy)
3. "Initially, the Israelis were terrified that they had attacked a Soviet ship and might have provoked the Soviets to join the fighting.3" (you would not have this fear if ya were SURE it was a US ship... Did they think the Soviet had put up a US Flag in disguise--"false flag?" The Soviets were all palsy with the 5 Arab nations attackin' Israel so this would have been their worst nightmare... and again there's the idea the Egyptian messages would have ruined their plans if the USS was communicatin' to London... b/c too, what went to Egypt likely got to the Soviets too--I'm not sure WHAT the Israeli's were able to decode if anything from the too-close spy ships "communications" but fear of USSR's involvement would'a been legit imho...
4. the above article cites evidence that the USS Liberty crew (spies perhaps excepted) were NOT informed about the ship's mission or about much've anythin' --they have every right to resent bein' kept in the dark an' if they are directed to blame Israel they might--they have no other "narrative" an' those promotin' "their stories" happen ta be on the blame Israel side... jus' sayin' too...
5. "Numerous mistakes were made by both the United States and Israel. For example, the Liberty was first reported — incorrectly, as it turned out — to be cruising at 30 knots (it was later recalculated to be 28 knots). Under Israeli (and U.S.) naval doctrine at the time, a ship proceeding at that speed was presumed to be a warship." (I dunno squat 'bout speed but seems the diff. 'tween 28 & 30 is small an' the ship was goin' FAST ENUF to be perceived by Israel as a legit danger per the "rules of the sea" --daisy)
6. Seth Mintz seems to have been either an unreliable witness OR someone "got to him." "In 1991, columnists Rowland Evans and Robert Novak trumpeted their discovery of an American who said he had been in the Israeli war room when the decision was made to knowingly attack the American ship.4 In fact, that individual, Seth Mintz, wrote a letter to the Washington Post on November 9, 1991, in which he said he was misquoted by Evans and Novak and that the attack, was, in fact, a “case of mistaken identity.” Moreover, the man who Mintz originally said had been with him, a Gen. Benni Matti, does not exist." Who IS Mintz? Was he HIRED by Evans + Novak? Was he REALLY in the war room or did he make that up too? (dunno...)
"The official Israeli Air Force tape clearly established that no such identification of the ship was made by the Israeli pilots prior to the attack. Tapes of the radio transmissions made prior to, during, and after the attack do not contain any statement suggesting the pilots saw a U.S. flag before the attack. During the attack, a pilot specifically says, “there is no flag on her!” "
So if this is ON TAPE an' not just "hearsay" that is sumthin'... not sayin' they didn't know but WHY would this be on tape if they did...? "chief air controller at general headquarters in Tel Aviv telling another controller the ship was “apparently American” took 24 minutes.5 Critics claimed the Israeli tape was doctored, but the National Security Agency of the United States released formerly top secret transcripts in July 2003 that confirmed the Israeli version."
"The orders radioed to the pilots by their supervisor at the Hatzor base instructing them to search for Egyptian survivors from the “Egyptian warship” that had just been bombed were also recorded by the NSA. “Pay attention. The ship is now identified as Egyptian,” the pilots were informed. "
Zapruder was doctored an' that was the US doin' it...but if the tapes were not messed with then we can assume the phrase "apparently American" was stated... (I think they likely did know it was "apparantly American," yet could not BELIEVE their so-called ally was spyin' on 'em, so close an' at top speed--so maybe they thought it was supposed to APPEAR as bein' American but/too ultimately it didn't matter wuther the Egyptians or the Soviets OR the Americans were mannin' that boat--it was riskin' their cover in middle of a war an' SOMEONE who gave the order to fire likely said fuk-it, we cannot risk NOT makin' it go away... boom.
I think I saw yer own good point Elsa--how could those torpedos all miss at such close range? Perhaps this was a way to warn the ship to skedaddle fast... a reluctance of sorts as the MOST important part was ta take out communications (spy center). The Israelis DID offer first aid AFTER they knew the spy division was OUT. Once the threat was eliminated they did the humane thing--to offer help. You do NOT do this if you want them all dead... 34 is a lot of sadly lost lives but it could have been a LOT worse--there's a lotta media out there (likely you've seen it) that sez Israel murdered 300 US Sailors on that ship which did not happen...
This quote makes sense ta me:
"None of Israel's accusers can explain why Israel would deliberately attack an American ship at a time when the United States was Israel's only friend and supporter in the world. " (I'll add, UNLESS it was fount out the friend was actin' like a foe out of self interest.... which seems to have been the case)
Per Candace Israel has no right to exist, per Tucker it has no right to defend itself with ANY aid from the US (I'll leave out the fact that most of the world thinks Israel is no ally to the US...hot toe-pick!). Therefore anythin' sent to 'em may fall on deaf fears. Candace has it out fer da joos an' fer Israel. Just heard an Interview with her where she insisted that the "Arab Quarter" was a ghetto an' that Israel "forced" Arabs there to live in poverty. The Arab Quarter is over 1000 years old an' pre-dates Israel's foundation as a "state." The joos just let the Arabs keep their OWN quarter. Candace will not hear this. I'mma New Yawker an' I promise "Little Italy" does not force Italians to live in that 8 sq. block radius, never did. "Chinatown" doesn't rope in Chinese New Yorkers either... Candace is full've it but her listeners gobble it up. Kudos fer tryin'--I think both are paid fer their agendas. Tucker (yup I alwayz knew CIA) really had me fooled fer a while... he's way too cozy 'bout USSR an' I think he has backin' from those that don't like joos... he's said a lot more but I'll not stray here...
MORE HERE includin' a timeline--I've yet ta read it all...gotta run..
https://s36667.pcdn.co/the-uss-liberty-incident-the-truth-behind-the-tragedy/
THANK YOU THANK YOU ELSA--lotta wool over a lotta folks eyes...thanks fer liftin'! (heavy liftin' lol) HAPPY NEW YEAR!
A pleasure to hear from you, and to hear your many details. Amazing. They add so much!! So very different from those against truth, where facts are in short supply and name-calling is popular. Again, a pleasure, all the wealth in your "comment" (more like a short book!!).
shucks an' thanks Elsa...much on my plate fer the moment but this is indeed an important story, as ya surmised yerself, b/c it's bein' used as a wedge to create "sides" which git amplified an' keep Americans an' all other nations watchin' "us"--Canada too!--all divided. (i.e. mad at our "allies" mad at each other... an' of course mad at da joos lol) but yup, everyone was lied-to an' it's likely Miz Owens an' Mister Carlson are just sayin' their truth tellers when actually--they're engagin' in addin' more lies on top (an' makin' sure some trooths are not excavated). Whatta mess!
Thanks fer all ye do!
Even if you reach only four people, Elsa...It does matter!
I agree. Every single person matters.
Something I have learned along the way is how easy it is for the internet controllers to fudge viewer numbers and subscribers to suit their preferred narrative. They are the masters of manipulation, illusion and psychological warfare and gather free publicity for their misleading talking puppets. I have been reading a book called Stop Reading the News - A Manifesto for a happier, calmer and wiser life by Rolf Dobelli. He is a former news junkie whose core message is discernment. Candace is just a marketeer. And the truth always finds its way over the finish line no matter how many puppets push the lies.
Elsa, are you on X? If so, may I have your handle, please? Thank you.
Dear Elsa, I am very interested in the Liberty, but can't stop my other work today to reply to your call for help. I can however show you an article I wrote about it, blaming the US and the overall Unidentified Big Boss. The book to buy is Philip Nelson's "Remember the Liberty." Note: the US Navy men, including Tierney, are old now and deserve to be thanked and saluted. Here is my 2019 article when I was in Australia: Write to me at MaxwellMaryLLB@gmail.com. I am in USA:
https://gumshoenews.com/the-liberty-ship-part-2-frontlet-615-the-key-to-everything/
Great what you did and are doing. On this huge planet with 8 billion of us, it takes many voices for truth. Yours is definitely one. So is Philip Nelson's "Remember the Liberty."