The Ponerology Rabbit-Hole. Wow!! I was finding it complex, rich, dense, fascinating. I was less than a third through the book and already I was posting about it. Then I was asked: can you make it simple. So here it is, Political Ponerology made simple, based on my quick exploration of this book I’m still far from finished reading
The most distilled and potent expose touching on political ponerology is an interview of Ronald Bernard (pseudonym) by Dutch journalist Irma Schiffer. It was recorded 6-7 years ago and is subtitled, well worth expending 40 minutes of undivided attention. Entitled "Real Big Money", it can be found on Vimeo. Here is the link: https://vimeo.com/212237317
Thank you for the link. I'm watching. I watched his video years ago on his personal experiences as an insider who could not take the final step into evil. I will add this into the article if it fits. Anyway, I'm sure I haven't finished with political ponerology and/or the financial site of what's going on.
I have now watched - rewatched, actually. I thought this was more from "Ronald Bernard." I saw this several years ago, Yes, powerful. I remember the impact from years ago. It's the first thing that convinced me - gut level - of the reality of the evil, the Satanism. Before that, I knew of it, believed with my mind that it existed.
Yes, incredible as it might seem, it's impossible to deny the truthfulness of his story. He doesn't really go into it in this interview, but he's lucky to have come out of it alive. He was brutally tortured to ensure he would never name names. And he hasn't.
I have seen him in one other video - a group video on massive sexual abuse (something like that). I believe he was on the panel, not testifying as a victim - but I am no sure, as I saw the video a couple of years ago. Do you know of other videos with him?
I think Irma Schiffer has done at least one subsequent interview with him. A great interview was also done within the past couple of years on the subject of banking and the evils of the current system. Ronald is trying to set up a financial entity that he named Bank of Joy as a break-away counterpart of the current banking system. As might be imagined, he has encountered enormous push back.
Greg Mannarino's video yesterday echoes Ronald's assessment of the current state of world control by the banks. Boy would I love to see the two of them together in an interview!
The biblical definition for evil is quite different than the human viewpoint definition. Human viewpoint uses man as the authority for explaining both good and evil, never mind the doctrine of truth suppression, i.e. the divine viewpoint as presented in Romans 1:18ff. Psychology is man’s definition for everything and is fundamentally flawed, not because it uses rationalism and empiricism as its basis, but because it uses them outside of the context of what God says about Adam’s flawed nature_ that it cannot produce even one thing that meets God’s standard for absolute righteousness. Hence, the distinction between human good and divine good. Psychology makes no such distinction nor does it look for answers beyond man’s very subjective view of reality. So, all manifestations of ponerology cannot be accurately explained by any of the greatest philosophers because their thinking starts with man. Their arguments are a circular and endless exercise in futility. Only the Word of God has the answers to the questions, “why man, why sin, why suffering?”
What I attempted to point out is that many of the manifestations of mankind’s sin nature inherited from Adam are well known. So, if the quest is to find out what causes murder, theft, jealousy, vindictiveness, sodomy, Marxism, on and on ad infinitum, my question is why focus on the symptoms and ignore the underlying cause, as if knowing the evil motivation (the “WHY” question) behind a criminal act is a pathway to prevention, rehabilitation or some other Freudian trip through the weeds. If you will simply take the time to open your Bible and read Romans 1 starting with verse 18 down to the end of the chapter, it will answer the “WHY” question. Truth Suppression! Yes, it is really that simple. Ponerology might be of some value to a detective trying to catch a criminal, but it can never answer the “Why” question because it seeks to find the causes of evil using psychology (human viewpoint) as an alternative to Bible doctrine. In my prior post, I pointed out the four methods which attempt to discover truth, the last one being “Revelation”. It is the only one of the four which presupposes the truth of scripture and relies on the objective revelation of God by the “dependent” use of logic & reason. The other three seek to discover truth by means of their own "independent" use of logic & reason. The choice that we have as human beings is to either pursue truth or suppress it. Everything that is downstream of truth suppression is some brand of evil, and they are legion.
You write: Their arguments are a circular and endless exercise in futility. My understanding is very different. I find the insights (a few of which are noted above) from political ponerology very valuable. Where did you note that the arguments were circular and an endless exercise in futility?
A simple definition might help. Circular arguments are dishonest attempts to persuade by use of philosophical chess instead of a search for truth. But, even the most sincere or honest metaphysical search for a unity of knowledge and unity of life as did Kant, Hegel and Kierkegaard onward by use of rational and empirical arguments, they found only a fragmented view of reality. The downstream effect of their thinking on modern art, music, literature and films produced pessimism geographically, culturally and socially. By definition, reality is outside of human sense perception. Maybe the following definitions will help provide additional context for my argument that all forms of philosophical substitutes for divine viewpoint solutions to man’s problems are futile, including the study of evil. If the starting point for political ponerology is human viewpoint (rationalism, empiricism or mysticism), my point is that it is based on a false premise and thus is fundamentally flawed.
RATIONALISM (classic apologetics) begins with innate ideas, faith in human ability. Method: Independent use of logic & reason.
EMPIRICISM (evidentialism, facts, history and science) begins with sense perception, external experience, scientific method, and faith in human ability. Method: Independent use of logic & reason.
MYSTICISM (fideism_ just believe apart from reason or evidence). Method: An inner, private experience; intuition, faith by human experience.
REVELATION (presuppositionalism = presupposes the truth of scripture. Method: The objective revelation of God by the dependent use of logic & reason.
Perhaps they are modern day Vampires? They appear to have all the attributes including their lust for blood. I have my stake, cross and garlic to hand but I think exposing them to the light will send them scurrying back to the crypt - to exist another day.
Perhaps then it is not possible to destroy them, therefore should we aim to corral them? The Bible tells us: “When men started to grow in numbers . . . and daughters were born to them, then the sons of the true God began to notice the daughters of men, that they were good-looking; and they went taking wives for themselves, namely, all whom they chose.” (Genesis 6:1, 2) Who were those “sons of the true God”? Were they part spirit creatures, not humans? (Job 1:6; 2:1)
By drawing attention to the sexual union of “the sons of the true God” who materialised and took “the daughters of men,” the account clearly refers to something unprecedented, abnormal. Thus are these 6% infected, possibly through generations of genetic mutations? We do know that the ruling elites have inbred for millennia "to keep their bloodline pure" - the Egyptian Pharaohs appear to have mastered the afterlife?
Just some random thoughts - musing rather than thinking.
Again (I know you're going to do this), I suggest reading or listening to Political Ponerology. He has noticed a genetic component - how lack of empathy may keep occurring in families. He also notes that there can be brain damage in a certain part of the brain, and/or a toxic environment. His answer is (from the first chapters): exposing, so we see them and remove them, rather than many being caught in their spell.
When you have worked, day in and day out, with the progeny of these generationally insane psychopaths you know that they are not curable because they do not recognise their disease.
They hold the majority of humanity in utter contempt and they view us messing up THEIR world.
The most distilled and potent expose touching on political ponerology is an interview of Ronald Bernard (pseudonym) by Dutch journalist Irma Schiffer. It was recorded 6-7 years ago and is subtitled, well worth expending 40 minutes of undivided attention. Entitled "Real Big Money", it can be found on Vimeo. Here is the link: https://vimeo.com/212237317
Thank you for the link. I'm watching. I watched his video years ago on his personal experiences as an insider who could not take the final step into evil. I will add this into the article if it fits. Anyway, I'm sure I haven't finished with political ponerology and/or the financial site of what's going on.
I have now watched - rewatched, actually. I thought this was more from "Ronald Bernard." I saw this several years ago, Yes, powerful. I remember the impact from years ago. It's the first thing that convinced me - gut level - of the reality of the evil, the Satanism. Before that, I knew of it, believed with my mind that it existed.
Yes, incredible as it might seem, it's impossible to deny the truthfulness of his story. He doesn't really go into it in this interview, but he's lucky to have come out of it alive. He was brutally tortured to ensure he would never name names. And he hasn't.
I have seen him in one other video - a group video on massive sexual abuse (something like that). I believe he was on the panel, not testifying as a victim - but I am no sure, as I saw the video a couple of years ago. Do you know of other videos with him?
I think Irma Schiffer has done at least one subsequent interview with him. A great interview was also done within the past couple of years on the subject of banking and the evils of the current system. Ronald is trying to set up a financial entity that he named Bank of Joy as a break-away counterpart of the current banking system. As might be imagined, he has encountered enormous push back.
I will see what I can locate. I remember trying to locate more a couple of years ago, and only found the one other video.
Greg Mannarino's video yesterday echoes Ronald's assessment of the current state of world control by the banks. Boy would I love to see the two of them together in an interview!
Greg really sums it up here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVzuYVuvhpY
Elsa,
The biblical definition for evil is quite different than the human viewpoint definition. Human viewpoint uses man as the authority for explaining both good and evil, never mind the doctrine of truth suppression, i.e. the divine viewpoint as presented in Romans 1:18ff. Psychology is man’s definition for everything and is fundamentally flawed, not because it uses rationalism and empiricism as its basis, but because it uses them outside of the context of what God says about Adam’s flawed nature_ that it cannot produce even one thing that meets God’s standard for absolute righteousness. Hence, the distinction between human good and divine good. Psychology makes no such distinction nor does it look for answers beyond man’s very subjective view of reality. So, all manifestations of ponerology cannot be accurately explained by any of the greatest philosophers because their thinking starts with man. Their arguments are a circular and endless exercise in futility. Only the Word of God has the answers to the questions, “why man, why sin, why suffering?”
John
Hi Gary,
What I attempted to point out is that many of the manifestations of mankind’s sin nature inherited from Adam are well known. So, if the quest is to find out what causes murder, theft, jealousy, vindictiveness, sodomy, Marxism, on and on ad infinitum, my question is why focus on the symptoms and ignore the underlying cause, as if knowing the evil motivation (the “WHY” question) behind a criminal act is a pathway to prevention, rehabilitation or some other Freudian trip through the weeds. If you will simply take the time to open your Bible and read Romans 1 starting with verse 18 down to the end of the chapter, it will answer the “WHY” question. Truth Suppression! Yes, it is really that simple. Ponerology might be of some value to a detective trying to catch a criminal, but it can never answer the “Why” question because it seeks to find the causes of evil using psychology (human viewpoint) as an alternative to Bible doctrine. In my prior post, I pointed out the four methods which attempt to discover truth, the last one being “Revelation”. It is the only one of the four which presupposes the truth of scripture and relies on the objective revelation of God by the “dependent” use of logic & reason. The other three seek to discover truth by means of their own "independent" use of logic & reason. The choice that we have as human beings is to either pursue truth or suppress it. Everything that is downstream of truth suppression is some brand of evil, and they are legion.
John
You write: Their arguments are a circular and endless exercise in futility. My understanding is very different. I find the insights (a few of which are noted above) from political ponerology very valuable. Where did you note that the arguments were circular and an endless exercise in futility?
Elsa,
A simple definition might help. Circular arguments are dishonest attempts to persuade by use of philosophical chess instead of a search for truth. But, even the most sincere or honest metaphysical search for a unity of knowledge and unity of life as did Kant, Hegel and Kierkegaard onward by use of rational and empirical arguments, they found only a fragmented view of reality. The downstream effect of their thinking on modern art, music, literature and films produced pessimism geographically, culturally and socially. By definition, reality is outside of human sense perception. Maybe the following definitions will help provide additional context for my argument that all forms of philosophical substitutes for divine viewpoint solutions to man’s problems are futile, including the study of evil. If the starting point for political ponerology is human viewpoint (rationalism, empiricism or mysticism), my point is that it is based on a false premise and thus is fundamentally flawed.
RATIONALISM (classic apologetics) begins with innate ideas, faith in human ability. Method: Independent use of logic & reason.
EMPIRICISM (evidentialism, facts, history and science) begins with sense perception, external experience, scientific method, and faith in human ability. Method: Independent use of logic & reason.
MYSTICISM (fideism_ just believe apart from reason or evidence). Method: An inner, private experience; intuition, faith by human experience.
REVELATION (presuppositionalism = presupposes the truth of scripture. Method: The objective revelation of God by the dependent use of logic & reason.
Best R’gds,
John
Perhaps they are modern day Vampires? They appear to have all the attributes including their lust for blood. I have my stake, cross and garlic to hand but I think exposing them to the light will send them scurrying back to the crypt - to exist another day.
Perhaps then it is not possible to destroy them, therefore should we aim to corral them? The Bible tells us: “When men started to grow in numbers . . . and daughters were born to them, then the sons of the true God began to notice the daughters of men, that they were good-looking; and they went taking wives for themselves, namely, all whom they chose.” (Genesis 6:1, 2) Who were those “sons of the true God”? Were they part spirit creatures, not humans? (Job 1:6; 2:1)
By drawing attention to the sexual union of “the sons of the true God” who materialised and took “the daughters of men,” the account clearly refers to something unprecedented, abnormal. Thus are these 6% infected, possibly through generations of genetic mutations? We do know that the ruling elites have inbred for millennia "to keep their bloodline pure" - the Egyptian Pharaohs appear to have mastered the afterlife?
Just some random thoughts - musing rather than thinking.
Again (I know you're going to do this), I suggest reading or listening to Political Ponerology. He has noticed a genetic component - how lack of empathy may keep occurring in families. He also notes that there can be brain damage in a certain part of the brain, and/or a toxic environment. His answer is (from the first chapters): exposing, so we see them and remove them, rather than many being caught in their spell.
Sounds the right course Elsa - good always prevails in the end even if the end turns out to be Armageddon!
When you have worked, day in and day out, with the progeny of these generationally insane psychopaths you know that they are not curable because they do not recognise their disease.
They hold the majority of humanity in utter contempt and they view us messing up THEIR world.
To them, we are evil.
Insightful and interesting! Thanks for this. :-)
Brilliant book. For starters, here are 2 more posts on it:
PONEROLOGY: a theory of evil. POLITICAL PONEROLOGY: a theory regarding the roots of evil in politics. VITAL INSIGHTS
https://elsaiselsa.substack.com/p/ponerology-a-theory-of-evil-political
What matters most? Whoever's at the top? The Elite? Or the Psychopath Cohort - 3-6% of the population? Urgent: time to explore Ponerology.
https://elsaiselsa.substack.com/p/what-matters-most-whoevers-at-the
Thank you Elsa! :-)