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mary-lou's avatar

help, despite your invite to comment, I can't comment on the Leo Zagami-post....? in the rumble video I'm afraid he looks like a doctored talking head (but of course can't verify) :-((

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Elsa's avatar

I just went to the post and saw a place to comment, right at the end. As for the rumble video, I trust the show, and the host mentions having read a number of the books, so I believe this is a real person.

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mary-lou's avatar

OK, thanks for checking. be well!

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Pamela Raditsch's avatar

Thanks for continuing to scrutinize what you come across, Elsa!

I didn't watch this particular interview with Rainer Füllmich (although I watch most of his interviews) because the topic seemed a bit absurd to me.

And we're even Austrian.

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mary-lou's avatar

great article (subbed). two remarks: is there any such thing as 'the Germans'? of course there isn't, even though there are many individuals who feel and think they are German. similarly we can't honestly speak about 'Africans' or 'the Irish' etc., etc, because it involves too many, too different individuals.

the second thought is that love is conditional - yes, it is the answer to its antithesis 'hate' but in itself it cannot solve anything in the real world, like hunger, poverty or bad grades at school. Toel's a tool and Fuelmilch should've unmasked him as such.

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Elsa's avatar

About being "Austrian," "Canadian," etc - there is a "home sense" many people have, a tribe sense. As I see it, this is healthy as long as it is not connected to denigration of others. About love, yes conditional - and also NOT ENOUGH. What Toel presents is a one-legged stool as a good stool. Then as for Reiner Fuellmich, my sense is that he was caught in the interview - his role has always been to let the interviewee speak. It's not an easy place for an interviewer who has not been a challenger as an interviewer. (As a lawyer, that would be different!!) He does let Toel present his utter inadequacy, but does not challenge it.

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Larry Inn's avatar

The trees of the Forest are being cut down, but the Trees keep voting and paying taxes to the Axe. The Axe had cunningly convinced the Trees he was one of them because his handle and heart are made of Wood. (Are the German people the Trees, and Mr. Toel a member of the Ruling Class of Axes?)

Smokey the Woke Bear said, “Only you can start a Forest fire.”

Singer/song writer Marvin Gaye’s song “Whats Going On ?” sang, “only Love can conquer Hate.”

Romantic, Yes. Realistic, No….

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Gerda's avatar

Great take on him. So many gullible people out there. Fall right into the trap.

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Elsa's avatar

Very smooth and easy slide right into the trap.

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John Moore's avatar

I’m done. I couldn’t take more than the first 10 minutes. A lot of syrupy false humility. Hackneyed slogans like “I’m proof that God has a sense of humor” and “My wife and I are like beauty and the beast.” He doesn’t believe either of those things. Strictly ingratiating himself to his hosts and audience. My suspicion is that he is there to control the opposition to the Freemasonic, Talmudic narrative on Germany in World War II.

I will simply take your word for it on the rest of the interview.

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Elsa's avatar

I agree. Schmarmy syrupy false humility gloop. And all fine - it just gets worse and worse. Glad you're allergic!!!

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John Moore's avatar

I’m going to listen to his talk now. At least as much as I can tolerate…

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Elsa's avatar

It's starts fine enough. It's as he gets to the end that my hackles went up.

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John Moore's avatar

Excellent piece. Toel probably listened to simplistic Beatle music in his youth. “All you need is love...”

Justice is pleasing to God when one works it not for revenge, but for Heavenly glory. Judicial punishment can be for the guilty party’s benefit if the intent is to exact a price for his misdeeds on Earth, so that he doesn’t have to pay in his after life. This is true charity.

Other benefits of justice fulfill the biblical command to love our neighbors. For example, the deterrent value of the punishment and the protection of society by incarcerating the offender.

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Elsa's avatar

Yes, justice is good, when not for revenge. Your view of Toel may be right. I have an even more negative view of him. That he is an agent, in some way, of the Deep State, the Global Predators. In other words, I have a strongly allergic reaction. So much is clearly not right about him.

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John Moore's avatar

Yes.

Not just a wolf in sheep’s clothing, but in shepherd’s clothing.

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Elsa's avatar

Lovely image - and very very apt. He's acting as if he will shepherd the Germans into endless self-love soup.

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Virginia A's avatar

Wonder who will rewrite history when the USA is finally outed for the evil empire that is is and was. The war and weapon makers are the villains, not the soldiers and casualties. Be careful when you demonstrate your ignorance and lack of love. It may come back to bight you.

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Daniela Provvedi's avatar

Hi Elsa, I listened to the discussion between Toel and Fuellmich and I strongly feel that calling Toel a Snake Oil salesman is really quite harsh.

This old man is spreading LOVE, not hate. My God isn't that a breath of fresh air these days?

His statements about Germans is, to me, just an old man feeling an overwhelming love for this nation.

For you to call him a Snake Oil salesman shows a non-compassionate, hard side of you that I'm very surprised to see.

I'm dissappointed at your comments, Elsa. Just my opinion....

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Elsa's avatar

I'm not "compassionate" (your word, not mine) to people selling toxic drugs - and what Toel is selling, among other stuff, is love with no outlet for natural outrage, is utterly toxic. As for his claiming love for the German family - he does not speak German, how does he know what it's like, these German families. You know families by spending time with them, in their homes, I trust nothing he says. The more I listened to him, the more I recoiled. I find him dangerous.

As for being a breath of fresh air - not at all. I hear so much of love is the answer all over the place - love, and not good thinking, not accurate perceiving, not also natural outrage which fuels much bringing people to justice. In Sound of Freedom, there's a lot of lack of compassion (which I approve of) for those sex trafficking kids. Okay, maybe their evil is easier to see. But Toel, with his wacko, "I will not let there be war" as if he were some god, Yikes!!! Note: I am for full flourishing, NOT for some some severely damaged and twisted thing.

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Virginia A's avatar

I was am a member of a n old fashioned German family (I’m not German) where loyalty, honesty, common sense and hard work were the basis of everything I’m so glad my children grew up in this multigenerational environment. But many Germans are intellectual dreamers and fall for utopian scams. That certainly is not a quality confined to Germany, is it.

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Elsa's avatar

About "intellectual dreamers who fall for utopian scams" - absolutely not something only Germans fall for. Just see the whole New Age movement, for one thing. Massive in the West, maybe most in California.

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Daniela Provvedi's avatar

Thank your for responding, Elsa. And thank you for explaining.

I feel there is something deep down inside you that makes you terribly upset about this Mr Toel. You're using words like "toxic", "dangerous", "wacko" and you "recoil" just by listening to him. There seems to be something much deeper going on, and not just a mere opinion about him.

To me, he's just a little old man expressing love for a nation. Nothing deeper than that.

I'd love to hear what Reiner Feullmich thinks of him. Perhaps I'll write and try to find out.

Anyway, thanks again for responding, and for your opinion.

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Elsa's avatar

I don't trust him for a moment. I see a facade of a - your words - "little old man expressing love for a nation. Nothing deeper than that." I see something much deeper. Yes, he touches something deep in me. In me it clearly goes: DANGER. WARN PEOPLE, AS WELL AS YOU CAN. POISON (the worst kind, marketed as sweetness and love).

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John Moore's avatar

Sentimentalism.

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John Moore's avatar

Also consider that Toel is not just a guy talking to his family in the living room. He reaches a large audience and it is appropriate to rebut his false ideas.

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Elsa's avatar

Agreed!! If you watch the interview, you hear that when he recently entered a store, there is a salesclerk wearing his green "love in the answer" bracelet. He is now well knows. My guess: the Predator-backed mainstream media wants him well known. His toxic message is exactly when they want to spread.

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Daniela Provvedi's avatar

Thank you, Elsa. I have taken your advice on board.

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Elsa's avatar

Do you remember the story of Little Red Riding Hood and her meeting with the "sweet little old grannie." (Of course in that case we could see it was not a sweet little old grannie.)

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Daniela Provvedi's avatar

LOL, yes I do remember that story.

You're right, she wasn't a sweet old lady, was she.

Thanks Elsa.

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